Anita Sinclair’s original vision for her company Magnetic Scrolls cast it as Britain’s answer to Infocom, pumping out multiple finely crafted traditional text adventures each year — albeit text adventures with the commercially critical addition of attractive illustrations. As 1988 began, Magnetic Scrolls had barely begun to execute on that vision, having released just three games. But the times were changing and the text-adventure market clearly softening, and those realities were already beginning to interfere with her plans. Already by the beginning of the year, Magnetic Scrolls was underway with by far their most ambitious project to date, a radical overhauling of the traditional old parser-driven text adventure that was to gild the plain-text lily with not just pictures but clickable hot spots on said pictures, sound and music, animation, clickable iconic representations of the game’s map and the player’s inventory, a clickable compass rose, a menu of verbs, and much, much more, all tied together with an in-house-written system of windows and menus — “Magnetic Windows” — borrowing heavily from the Macintosh. Lurking almost forgotten below all the bells and whistles would be a game called Wonderland, an adaptation of Lewis Carroll.
We’ll get to Wonderland, released at last only in 1990, in due course. Today, though, I’d like to look at the twin swan songs of Anita Sinclair’s earlier vision for Magnetic Scrolls, both of which were already in the pipeline at the time the Wonderland project was begun and both of which were released in 1988.
Corruption, the first of the pair, was the brainchild and personal pet project of Rob Steggles, designer in the broad strokes of Magnetic Scrolls’s earlier The Pawn and Guild of Thieves. Having worked with Magnetic Scrolls strictly on an occasional, ad-hoc basis heretofore, Steggles finished university after the spring semester of 1987 and called Anita Sinclair to ask for a job reference. Instead, she asked if he’d like to come work for Magnetic Scrolls full-time. Once arrived, Steggles convinced her to let him pursue a project very different from anything Magnetic Scrolls had done to date: a realistic, topical thriller set in the present day and inspired by Infocom’s early trilogy of mysteries. She agreed, and Hugh Steers, another of Magnetic Scrolls’s founders, came to work with Steggles as programmer on the project. Largely the creative vision of Steggles alone, Corruption represents a departure from the norm at Magnetic Scrolls, whose games, much more so than those of Infocom, tended to be collaborative efforts rather than works easily attributable to a single author.
Whether accidentally or on purpose, Steggles captured the zeitgeist in a bottle. This being the height of Margaret Thatcher’s remade and remodeled, hyper-capitalistic Britain, he chose to set his thriller amid the sharks of high finance inside The City of London. He had enough access to that world to give his game a certain lived-in verisimilitude, thanks to friends who worked in banks and a father who went to work every day in the heart of the financial district as an executive for British Telecom. Steggles nosed around inside buildings, chatted with traders, and pored over the Insider Trading Act to get the details right.
In December of 1987, the film Wall Street, with the immortal Gordon Gecko of “greed is good!” fame, debuted in the United States. It appeared in Britain five months later, corresponding almost exactly with the release of Corruption. Magnetic Scrolls couldn’t have planned it better if they’d tried. Today, Corruption is one of the relatively few computer games to viscerally evoke the time and place of its creation — a time and place of BMWs and Porsches, lunchtime deal-brokering at the latest trendy restaurant, synth-pop on the CD player, cocaine bumps in stolen bathroom moments.
In Corruption, you play a young City up-and-comer named Derek Rogers. You’ve just been promoted to partner in your firm for — you believe — your hard work in landing an important deal. In the course of the game, however, you learn that the whole thing is an elaborate conspiracy to frame you for the illegal insider trading for which another partner and his cronies are being investigated. The ranks of the conspirators include not only the head of the firm and many of his associates but even your own wife, who happens to be having an affair with the aforementioned head. Revolving as it does around betrayal and adultery, with drugs thrown in to boot, Corruption is certainly the most “adult” game Magnetic Scrolls would ever make. Steggles says that it was written in a conscious attempt to address an “older” audience — a bit of a reach for him, given that he himself was barely into his twenties.
Corruption acquits itself pretty well in some ways, remarkably so really given its author’s youth and inexperience. The atmosphere of cutthroat high finance comes across more often than not, and the grand conspiracy arrayed against you, improbable though it may be, is no more improbable than those found in a thousand Hollywood productions, among them Wall Street. A crucial feelie is a conversation on an included cassette, professionally produced by Magnetic Scrolls’s resident music specialist John Molloy and scripted by Michael Bywater, still a regular presence around the offices. Like much in Corruption, it’s very well done.
Unfortunately, as a piece of game design Corruption falls down badly. Unsurprisingly given that it was inspired by the Infocom mysteries, Corruption is a try-and-try-again game, the process of solving it a process of mapping out the movements of the characters around you and learning through trial and error where to be when and what to do there to avoid their traps and crack the case. But it just doesn’t work all that well even on those polarizing terms. The Infocom mysteries, for all that they rely heavily on what would be attributed to coincidence and luck in a conventional detective novel, do hang together as coherent fictions once the winning path through the story is discovered. Corruption doesn’t. Whereas the Infocom mysteries all cast you as a detective charged with investigating a crime that has already taken place, in Corruption you start as just a happy bloke who’s gotten a big promotion. On the basis of no evidence whatsoever, you have to start following your associates around, stealing keys and breaking into their offices and cars, laying traps for your dearly beloved wife, all of which does rather raise the question of who’s the real sociopath here. Some of the actions required to win the game simply make no sense whatsoever, not even in the context of you being the most suspicious, paranoid, and devious person in an office full of them. At a certain point, for instance, you get hit by a car and wind up in the hospital. A later puzzle — a puzzle your character couldn’t possibly anticipate — demands that you have something you can only find by stealing it off a doctor in the hospital. So, in addition to being a suspicious and devious jerk with a death wish, old Derek Rogers needs to also be a hopeless kleptomaniac. Or is he just a paranoid schizophrenic? I don’t know; you can diagnose him for yourself.
Corruption is one of those games that I wonder how anyone ever solves without benefit of hints or walkthroughs. In addition to all the problems of timing, some of the individual puzzles are really, really bad. The hospital sequence in particular is a notorious showstopper, its purpose for being in the game as tough to divine as the right way to come out of it. Conversations are a more constant pain; you never know when you’re supposed to tell someone about something, nor, given the parser’s limitations, quite how to say it.
In an interview, Steggles made a statement I continue to find flabbergasting every time I read it. Speaking of Corruption‘s try-and-try-again mode of play, he said, “Believe it or not, it wasn’t a deliberate choice to do it that way and I think that if someone had made that comment about it during development we’d have stopped it because it wasn’t really ‘fair’ on the player.” But really, how could he not know what sort of game he was creating, given that he was inspired by the Infocom mysteries that offered exactly this approach to play? Still, let’s take his words at face value. Not initially realizing what sort of game he was creating — and how hard that game would inevitably turn out to be — speaks to an inexperienced designer whose ideas outran his critical thinking; we can forgive that as a venial sin. But for Magnetic Scrolls not to have arranged for him to have the feedback he needed to know of his game’s failings and correct them… that sin is mortal. It speaks to yet another adventure game released without anyone having ever really tried to play it.
There are signs that some at Magnetic Scrolls knew Corruption wasn’t quite up to snuff. Anita Sinclair came very close to actively discouraging Magnetic Scrolls’s fans from buying the game: “It doesn’t follow that if you enjoyed Jinxter, or even Guild [of Thieves], you will enjoy Corruption.” Corruption, she said, would likely have “limited appeal.”
She would be able to muster much more enthusiasm for Magnetic Scrolls’s second game of 1988. And for good reason: it’s a gem, my personal favorite in their catalog.
The game in question is called Fish!, and is the product of an unlikely collaboration involving a musician, a journalist, and a civil servant: John Molloy, Phil South, and Pete Kemp respectively. One day on a long bus ride, good friends Molloy and South were riffing on some of the absurdly difficult and unfair adventure games that were so typical of those days. The discussion proceeded to encompass satirical ideas about possible new scenarios for same. “What if you started the game as a goldfish and you had to save the world?” asked one of them at some point (neither can quite remember which). Thus was born Fish!.
Molloy, who had been doing music for Magnetic Scrolls for a couple of years by then and in addition to being a working musician wasn’t a bad programmer, was attracted to the idea of seeing how the other half lived, of designing and helping to implement a complete game of his own. As Phil South succinctly describes it, “He pitched it to Magnetic Scrolls, they went nuts.” Kemp, another good mate of Molloy’s, joined after the latter gave him a pitch he also couldn’t refuse: “A bit of fun, a bit of money, and everlasting obscurity.”
South and Kemp were soon introduced to the intimidating cast of eccentrics that was Magnetic Scrolls. South:
I remember Magnetic Scrolls being in a rather grimy and unsavoury Victorian suburb of South London and having to brave the trains late at night to get there. I remember Anita being small but scary, and possessing a wisdom far beyond her years. She terrifies the crap out of men twice her size just by looking at them. I remember Ken [Gordon] being the most laid back Scotsman I’d ever met, which puts him on track for being one of the most laid-back guys worldwide. Rob Steggles has an evil sense of humour and at the time had a real passion for Games Workshop’s BLOODBOWL board game. Michael Bywater is scary smart, hugely funny, and also possibly one of THE most grumpy men I’ve ever met.
Fish! casts you as an “inter-dimensional espionage operative” who warps Quantum Leap-style among times, bodies, locations, and dimensions on the trail of criminals. At the beginning of the game, you’re enjoying a spot of rest and relaxation as a goldfish in your own private aquarium, when you’re notified that a gang of anarchists who call themselves the Seven Deadly Fins have stolen something called a focus wheel, needed to keep a planet of fish called Aquaria hydrated. First you need to assemble the pieces of the focus wheel, which the Fins have scattered across three different worlds. Then you can warp to the city of Hydropolis, capital of Aquaria, to set it into operation before the last of the water evaporates and everyone drowns.
As you’ve probably gathered, Fish! isn’t a very serious game. It’s rather a surrealistic riot of fishy puns and absurdist humor in the style of Douglas Adams. The prospect of neither surrealism nor Douglas Adams-style humor excites me all that much when starting a new game because those things are usually (over)done so badly, but Fish! pulls it off with aplomb. The fishy wordplay comes fast and furious, inducing groans and smiles in equal measure: “the archway is a magnificent example of craftfishship”; “any old eel could slip in here and break into every apartment on the block”; “some dolphins rush in where angelfish fear to tread”; “the police station is fished day and night by a stalwart dogfish who is ready to solve the troutiest of crimes”; “Tuna Day’s Music Ship is cluttered with amateur musicians, most of whom are playing versions of the ancient heavy-metal hit ‘Smoke Underwater'”; “glancing toward the toilet, you see a trout emerge, adjusting his flies.”
Thanks doubtless to Molloy’s background, much of Fish! is informed by music and the life of a musician. In addition to “Smoke Underwater,” he makes time to acknowledge that timeless classic “Sole Man” by Salmon Dave, and to make fun of buskers.
You notice several students loitering with intent. One of them produces a guitar and starts singing: "Come on feel my nose. The girls grab my clothes. Go why, why why any more." Oh no, he's started busking! Luckily, the other students attack and carry him off before you hear too much.
I love one early puzzle involving a Svengali music producer and his cowed assistant Rod. I know it’s anachronistic, but somehow I always picture Simon Cowell in this scene. (Spoiler Warning!)
An important-looking beetroot-faced producer enters the room behind you. "You," he shouts charmingly, "make some coffee or you're fired." He strides out.
>rod, make coffee
"Sure thing," says Rod, rushing down the corridor. You hear the kitchen door slam, then a few seconds later it slams again as Rod comes out. "That's the way to do it," he beams as he returns, holding a steaming mug of coffee.
The producer appears and grabs the mug. He looks at you and smiles a sickly smile as Rod leaves. "Well done," he says, taking a slurp, "you'll go far in this business. You've already learned the golden rule: if in doubt, delegate." Then he stomps out, looking pleased with himself.
In marked contrast to the confused and confusing Corruption, Fish! is quite fair, at least according to its own old-school lights. The three early acts, each involving the collection of one piece of the focus wheel, are all fairly easily manageable. The final act in Hydropolis, the real meat of the game, is much more challenging, another exercise in good planning and careful timing given that you have only one day to complete a very complicated mission. So, yes, it’s another try-and-try-again scenario, and far from a trivial one; I found one puzzle in particular, another entry in the grand text-adventure tradition of mazes that aren’t quite mazes, to be so complicated that I ended up writing a program to solve it for me. But the clues you need are always there, and there’s never a need to do anything completely inexplicable like stealing vital medical equipment. Good planning and careful note-taking — and maybe a handmade Python script — will see you through. I love games like this one that challenge me for the right reasons.
Whether because Anita Sinclair was much more personally enthusiastic about this project or because it was a true collaboration from the start, the authors of Fish! got the feedback that Steggles apparently lacked in writing Corruption. Phil South:
Sometimes during play testing it came out that the puzzle was too hard or to too easy. We adjusted the hardness by leaving clues. Sometimes the puzzle was taken out altogether. We played other people’s games and saw how they solved the hardness problem.
After Corruption was finished, Steggles joined the team to do some final polishing and editing, a role he describes as “basically acting as a sub-editor to bring the writing into the house style.”
Released in time for Christmas 1988, Fish! fell victim to a breakdown in the relationship between Magnetic Scrolls and their publisher Rainbird; it never enjoyed the distribution or promotion of Magnetic Scrolls’s earlier games, even as Anita Sinclair said that it stood alongside Guild of Thieves as her personal favorites in the catalog. (As a glance at my own Hall of Fame will attest, that’s an assessment with which I very much agree.) We’ll get into the breakdown with Rainbird and what it meant for Magnetic Scrolls in a future article. For now, though, suffice to say that the release of Fish! marked the end of Magnetic Scrolls’s era of greatest popularity and influence. Molloy, South, and Kemp all moved on with their lives and day jobs, leaving their days as text-adventure authors behind as a fond anecdote for their scrapbooks; none would ever work in the games industry again. Steggles departed in December after a “storming row” with Anita Sinclair over his salary and his general unhappiness with the direction of the company; he also moved on with life outside of games. Michael Bywater’s business relationship with Magnetic Scrolls ended in correspondence with the end of his romantic relationship with Anita.
In a fast-changing market, with so many of the old gang suddenly leaving, Magnetic Scrolls’s future depended more than ever on Wonderland. That project… but I said we’d save that for another day, didn’t I? In the meantime, go play Fish!. Really, how can you not love a game that describes another featureless dead end as, “This is as far as the corridor goes. On the first date anyway.”
(Sources: Games Machine of August 1988, November 1988; Computer and Video Games of July 1988; Commodore User of June 1988; The One of July 1990; ST News of Summer 1989. Online sources include “Magnetic Scrolls Memories” by Rob Steggles on The Magnetic Scrolls Memorial and an interview with Steggles at L’avventura è l’avventura. And huge, huge thanks to Stefan Meier of The Magnetic Scrolls Memorial for digging up a dump of Peter Verdi’s apparently defunct Magnetic Scrolls Chronicles website, including original interviews with Rob Steggles, Michael Bywater, Phil South, and Pete Kemp. You’re a lifesaver, Stefan!
Corruption, Fish!, and all of the other Magnetic Scrolls games are available from Stefan’s site in forms suitable for playing with the Magnetic interpreter — or you can now play them online, directly in your browser, if you like.)
Ade
May 6, 2016 at 9:54 am
To be fair, Corruption did win the PCW Game of the Year award. Although I’m not sure how. I certainly don’t remember it with fondness. I think it might have been the first MS game I completely gave up on very quickly. As I recall though it did have some firsts that make it a little more interesting – the UI was tailored to the game, some speech capability, and the audio tape included in the packaging. I also remember from somewhere that it had the working title Upon Westminster Bridge. But I can’t find my source anymore.
Jimmy Maher
May 6, 2016 at 5:59 pm
I believe that Upon Westminster Bridge was another project. I’ve heard it described as a pet project of Anita Sinclair’s, one she was working on largely alone. Interestingly, it was to have been text only. No real idea how far along she got with it. Most of the other Magnetic Scroll alumni are reluctant to speak about it, referring to it as very much something reserved for Anita to talk about, if she wishes. And Anita has never given an interview about Magnetic Scrolls since the company folded.
Ade
May 6, 2016 at 10:30 pm
You are probably right, although I do remember where I read it. In the Magnetic Scrolls fact sheet on the ifarchive, here: ftp://ftp.ifarchive.org/if-archive/magnetic-scrolls/info/msfact.txt. If it was a different project,, it seems to be a widely held misconception. Even the Wikipedia article notes it to be the working title.
Jimmy Maher
May 8, 2016 at 8:51 am
My primary source for this is Steggles’s interview with Peter Verdi for the apparently now defunct MS Chronicles site.
“Do you know of any Magnetic Scrolls titles that never saw the light of day?
Anita was working on one called Upon Westminster Bridge. It was a shame that one never got off the ground.
It’s completely understandable if you don’t feel like talking about someone else’s brainchild, but I simply have to ask: what was Upon Westminster Bridge about?
You’d need to ask Anita that one.”
Since Steggles was after all the author of Corruption, this seems pretty definitive.
Torbjörn Andersson
May 6, 2016 at 11:09 am
“At just the right point, for instance, you have to deliberately walk out into traffic so as to get hit by a car and wind up in the hospital.”
I don’t think that’s the intended solution, because the game has at least two different ways of arranging an “accident” for you that will land you in the hospital. Here’s one, if you are near the road:
Someone comes up behind you and whispers, I’ve got some bad news for you Mr. Rogers.” Before you can see who it is, you are shoved in the back and fall into the road. Brakes screech but they aren’t good enough to stop you being hit and bumped across the road. Morbid onlookers gather round, listening to your screams. You just manage to see the blue flashing light of an ambulance before passing out.
And here’s another, if you’re in the park:
A tramp holding a bottle starts to walk up to you. As he gets closer his pace quickens. He pulls a dirty blade from his pocket and breaks into a sprint. You turn to run but he smashes the bottle on the side of your head and pushes you to the ground. “I’ve got some bad news for you Mr. Rogers,” he says smiling, and raises the knife high above his head. The sight of blood from your head wound is too much – you pass out.
Torbjörn Andersson
May 6, 2016 at 11:12 am
Any typos in those texts (and I’ve already spotted one missing quotation mark) are likely to be my own. I couldn’t copy/paste the text, so I had to type it in myself.
Jimmy Maher
May 6, 2016 at 6:11 pm
Fair enough. Made a couple of minor edits. Thanks!
David Boddie
May 6, 2016 at 7:13 pm
I played Corruption on the Archimedes in the early 1990s, having bought a budget games compilation at a computer show. Only the disk was supplied, and maybe some basic instructions, so I missed out on any feelies that might have come with the original.
I tried hard to like it and spent some time trying to find where and when you needed to be to pick up bits of information/evidence, though I don’t know if your character has to do this. In the end, despite the interesting world, I found it tiresome and restrictive to play. I managed to get into the hospital but had to read the adventures column in the Micro User to find out how to get out, and the solution to that puzzle didn’t seem to have any precedent in the game at all.
I used to fire it up just to listen to the music on the loading screen and appreciate the title artwork. The graphics were nice to look at – more pictures would have been appreciated! Otherwise, it now seems like a bit of a Groundhog Day experience. It was a nice bonus game in the compilation, and not the worst of the three games in there.
Alexander Freeman
May 7, 2016 at 1:40 am
I guess I’m the only one who thinks Corruption is a decent game although I do think the hospital puzzle might qualify for some top 20 list of most awful puzzles ever in a commercial text adventure. I thought the part about being at the right place at the right time was intentional, though, the idea being that clues clue you in on where to be, and you act like an investigator rather than a sleuth like in Deadline, which I might play again since I don’t seem to remember being in the right place at the right time being such a problem.
I had decided to give Fish a miss since the premise didn’t seem that interesting, but reading this has changed my mind.
Magnus Strömgren
May 7, 2016 at 10:59 pm
The “hospital puzzle”, is that really such a big deal? I mean, since the entire game needs you to be at the right place at the right time?
Also interesting is the entire park area, that seems to fulfill no function whatsoever, as far as I can tell.
Alexander Freeman
May 8, 2016 at 7:50 pm
Well, in my opinion, yes, since the game at least gives some clues as to where you need to be. With the hospital sequence, you must not waste one move. That not only means more restoring an retrying than usual for the game, but it also means you have to put all your inventory into your suitcase ahead of time even though you have no reason to think of doing that. Then when the sequence happens, it plays out like something from Looney Tunes, making it stick out like a sore thumb for what’s supposed to be a gritty game. And all that just for a lousy stethoscope.
Kroc Camen
May 8, 2016 at 7:15 pm
Now that we’re back to the British side, this made me wonder if you’ll cover the Amstrad PCW at some point. For a long time it filled in area in computer usage where the PC was far too expensive for the Brits. The PCW was a quarter of the price, had a very generous 90×32 screen and was so popular (some 8 million units in all) that for a word-processor even some games were released for it, including IF.
I had one of these as a schoolkid and taught myself how to word process on it and to write simple games with the included CP/M Mallard BASIC. It’s one of my favourite machines ever simply for it’s great “bang for buck” value; a cheap, simple machine that was very capable.
Jimmy Maher
May 8, 2016 at 7:34 pm
I do have an overview of developments in British computing coming a few articles down the line. Will try to give Amstrad a little more of its due then, although I’m unlikely to dwell overmuch on any particular machine.
Pedro Timóteo
May 9, 2016 at 1:55 pm
I never had a PCW (I don’t think they were even sold in Portugal, and, anyway, I was a kid / teenager back then), but I think it was a really interesting system, for the reasons you mention.
There was also a lot of interactive fiction for it (including about half of Infocom’s catalogue, plus most of Level 9’s and Magnetic Scrolls’). It was also a great machine for it — it was designed for word processing, so it already had a screen with a lot of columns and readable fonts. Plus, its very generous RAM prevented the disk thrashing found in C64 and CPC versions of several adventure games (try playing Corruption on a C64, CPC or Spectrum +3 emulator, with several seconds of disk access whenever you type in a simple “look” command).
Nate
May 9, 2016 at 7:35 am
Yay, Corruption! I think this was the first ever Infocom-style game I ever owned. Played it so much, but was never able to crack it without the walkthrough. A lot of things were not obvious and not clearly described (or not implemented).
And yes, the hospital puzzle. You had to actually abuse the parser’s very particular implementation of ‘TAKE ALL…’ to do it in the time limit. And the tone was cartoonish and not fitting with the rest of the story.
But still. As a Deadline clone, it was a lot of fun, and I still have fond memories of the game I dearly wished it was.
It also gave me a lifelong fear of City of London bankers, so there’s that.
Ken Brubaker
May 17, 2016 at 11:42 am
“a time and place of BMWs and Porches”
I assume you actually mean Porsches there?
Jimmy Maher
May 17, 2016 at 12:40 pm
Ha! Yes, thanks.
Martin
October 2, 2016 at 3:42 pm
I have to ask. If a fish is left out of the water, is its death a drowning? On one level it seems right and on another it seems wrong. I just have to know if that term is right or wrong.
Lisa H.
October 3, 2016 at 4:13 am
I think it has to be asphyxiation. Drowning refers specifically to being submerged in water (or other liquid).
Ben
May 10, 2017 at 2:53 pm
I enjoyed Corruption immensely: the game has a habit of killing off the protagonist, either literally or figuratively, to the clock. It’s just one of those games where you die time after time, and have to get used to this, watch the plot unfurl, and die a little better next time. I remember having an appointment diary for the play-through in the end, knowing where I had to be at particular times to do the things I had to do.
So that part of the protagonist that becomes deceitful and conniving, and even a little inconsistent, fits in within a world where every character is either openly hostile to you, or is plotting, in some way, your downfall.
(If you find a way to escape arrest or murder, I remember, the game kills you off at 6pm with a heart attack if you don’t complete it.)
The hospital puzzle was horrid, and the prison cell puzzle (and getting through the police interview) was not entirely logical; the former is cruel and it wouldn’t have taken much to improve it; the latter was a game built around the ask about … tell about … mechanic that laid its limitations rather too bare.
For me, that part of London, around Old Street and Farringdon, where Corruption is set remains redolent for me with descriptions and scenes, even though quite a lot of it has been flattened. I travel through it on most days, and don’t do so without wondering if I should look in at Le Monaco. The adventure got under my skin more than half a lifetime ago in the way that only well-crafted games can.
Phil South
August 11, 2018 at 3:39 pm
Terrific article. Hadn’t seen it before but followed a link here because someone said it was definitive. I tend to agree :) keep up the good work.
Jan Henning
October 13, 2018 at 9:40 am
Corruption has a “venal sin” that should rather be a “venial sin”, I think.
Jimmy Maher
October 15, 2018 at 10:06 am
Thanks!
Daniel
August 20, 2019 at 11:41 pm
One ‘a’ too many?
… you have only one day to a complete a very complicated mission.
Philip South
January 17, 2023 at 10:58 am
Further to my original comment I should point out that John did all the feelies, By water had nothing to do with it :) also in the intervening years John passed away in 2018. He’s missed by all.
Ben
August 25, 2023 at 6:49 pm
Lewis Carrol -> Lewis Carroll
can you can not -> can you not
Jimmy Maher
August 28, 2023 at 9:08 am
Thanks!